Those freedom lovers who put liberty before all, to a fault. Sometimes they miss the fact that while the ideas Libertarianism promotes are very worthy and worthwhile, practicality just gets in the way.

While it is true that most people are virtuous, moral and well meaning. Some are mean, amoral, or just downright evil and can’t be trusted.  It is the latter that governments are invented to protect us from. Sometimes I think that most dyed-in-the-wool Libertarians forget this.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea of Libertarianism, I think it is at the core of the founding principles and of Conservatism. I also think it must be tempered with common sense. I’ve said before at the other blog that I believe the founders meant to limit the Federal Government to affairs of the nation as a whole. It has no place in our personal lives. Yes, I believe the income tax, social security and medicare/aide and the Seventeenth Amendment should all be repealed in due time. I know that most Libertarians would agree with me on this.

Where we get sideways though, is the issue of where the state and local governments have jurisdiction. A Libertarian friend once told me that even state or local government should have no place in your personal life. If this is the Libertarian’s belief, then they are wrong.

The Tenth Amendment lays it out with clarity that cannot be ignored.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This tells me that the writers of the Constitution gave the people of each state the power to do what they want within the confines of that state. In other words, if the people of California want to legalize dope, they can. If you don’t want to live in a state that allows pot heads, move. Simple!

The way I see it, under the Constitution, the states were set up to each be it’s own laboratory, testing out their own particular brands of government, with the referee being the Federal Government, who was there to make sure they play nice with one another in the sandbox of America.

The idea works at the local level as well, communities can and should be able, within the constraints of the rules of the State Constitution, to make their own community by-laws, laws with respect to vices, personal public conduct, etc.

As I understand it, a true Libertarian would have none of this. They would have no laws restricting personal freedom whatsoever, be they federal, state or local. While this sounds very well intentioned, it actually is an imposition of sorts. That means that I cannot, if I wish, band together with like minded individuals and form a community experiment with a certain set of rules for the town. Say, no drinking. So, in effect Libertarianism, taken to its own ideal, is a form of quasi-anarchy in that it forces me to live in a society without social boundaries, which is a society I would not want to live in. Where is my freedom and that of my companions to form a commune if I so desire?

Sincerely, am I missing something here? If I misunderstand the tenets of Libertarian thought, please correct me.

No form of government is perfect, just as no political ideology is perfect. They are man-made and thus subject to the failings of man. Much like the rambling inconsistencies of this writer. But I’m working on it, and that is what we should all be doing in respect to this government within the true intent and meaning of the Constitution. Not bending it to suit our own ideal of what we would have it mean.

So,  the question was, “What to do with those pesky Libertarians?”

I’ll tell you what we do with them.  I believe that Libertarians and Conservatives are on a close enough plane in the realm of political thought that we should have no quarrel in the current arena. The fight against the “fundamental transformation” going on  is far too important to magnify petty differences in our ideology. We must band together for the common good of the nation. Perhaps in doing so we can find more common ground to agree on as well.

My 2 cents, adjusted for inflation.

UPDATE: TCOTS has a plea. Gator Doug interjects. And The CL has a well placed volley.

Also linked at The Washington Rebel and A Conservative Shemale.

Better company would be hard to find.

Comments
  • smitty April 28, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Great look. Welcome to WordPress. We shouldn’t miss linkage now.

    • mnrobot April 28, 2010 at 8:55 pm

      Thanks Smitty.
      >We shouldn’t miss linkage now.< Excellent! Does WP automatically send pingbacks or something? Newbie question.

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  • FellowAmerican April 29, 2010 at 5:54 am

    “No form of government is perfect, just as no political ideology is perfect. They are man-made and thus subject to the failings of man. Much like the rambling inconsistencies of this writer. But I’m working on it, and that is what we should all be doing in respect to this government within the true intent and meaning of the Constitution. Not bending it to suit our own ideal of what we would have it mean.”

    Beautifully written. Should be added to the politicians oath!

    If we would humble ourselves in this way we would see a more perfect government formed before our eyes…

    2Cor 12:9
    “And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.”

    • mnrobot April 29, 2010 at 6:43 am

      Thanks, Fellow American. I like the 2nd Corinthians quote. Amen.

  • Jeffrey Ellis April 29, 2010 at 7:22 am

    “While it is true that most people are virtuous, moral and well meaning. Some are mean, amoral, or just downright evil and can’t be trusted. It is the latter that governments are invented to protect us from. Sometimes I think that most dyed-in-the-wool Libertarians forget this.”

    Actually most libertarians would argue that the existence of some people who are mean, amoral, or downright evil is the reason we need a small and limited government — to prevent these people from getting power over us. It’s the liberals who think the existence of these people is justification for Big Government.

    Also please keep in mind that Libertarianism (big-L) is a very big tent, and includes everyone from reasonable moderate-libertarians to secret militia anarchist wacko’s. It is inadvisable to generalize about Libertarians because your generalizations are not likely to hold true even in a general sense.

  • mnrobot April 29, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Thanks for stopping by Jeffrey.
    “It’s the liberals who think the existence of these people is justification for Big Government.” – agreed, I’m merely pointing out that bad people are the reason we need government at all. I certainly realize that Conservativees and Libetarians desire smaller government. I’m being a bit toungue in cheek while poking at my Libertarian friends. It seems that their realistic view of what can be accomplished gets thrown out in favor of an unattainable idealism, and that to me, is what creates a conflict that sometimes distracts just a bit from a meaningful partnership, which is what we really need right now.

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